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Honoring Conflicting Values with Rob Hardy

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In this episode, I speak with filmmaker, marketer, and sense-maker, Rob Hardy about navigating the complexity of human values.

Values are the driving force in literally everything we do, yet many of our deeply held values are in competition with one another. Rob and I talk about the consequences and implications of this on both the individual and collective level.

Topics covered

  • Being pulled vs being pushed

  • Feeling boxed in by the expectation of others

  • Striking the right balance between freedom and constraint

  • Employing different strategies at different seasons in our life

  • The intersection of values and politics

  • How we all use the same values, just in different contexts

  • The rise of secular “religions”

  • Why it’s useful to understand our nature

  • How facts about our nature can help us live better lives.

Notable quotes from Rob

  • “Maturity is about being able to grapple with ambiguity, moral complexity, and the world that lives between simplistic binary choices.”

  • “Our need for simplistic stories about good and evil is baked into us at a primal level. We need more avenues, like sports, where we can channel that energy safely. Because when it goes into politics, religious sectarian conflict, and culture, it becomes fundamentally destructive.”

  • “So much of what we hate about ‘the other side’ is just a manifestation of the shadow side in all of us.”

  • “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.” —Margaret Mead

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Ruben Chavez is a writer and host of The Think Grow Podcast